Thank you! As someone who generally always tries to link people in movies, shows, etc I was like “they’re kin.” The under the table scene was such a beautiful intimate scene between comrades - and maybe offers possibility modeling on cross gender friendships. It’s also the story of what happens when we meet our idols and discover they’re just as fucked up and human as we are.
"I just don’t understand this mindset of automatically shipping a man and a woman just because there is closeness between them. It actually kind of makes me sad. There’s almost a loneliness behind it? It reminds me of some men who say that “men and women can’t be friends, even if the man isn’t attracted to the woman, he’s still smashing or thinking about smashing.”
and also
"Sydney is in love with the industry. The girl just wants to graft. Sydney wants to be Carmen, not be with him."
I. haven't watched this show, have no investment in the characters or TT, but one thing I know for sure is this: Romance and the desire for romance, the need to insert it where it isn't possible is so wishful. Through no fault of our own, it's something we're inundated with from the first time somebody does a read-aloud of Cinderella. The writers statement: Personally, I feel a lot more connected to someone I can be emotionally intimate with versus being physically intimate with. I also feel a lot safer with sharing vulnerability with someone I know I’m not going to be in a romantic relationship with because they’re less likely to use it against me. But, that’s just me.
Well that's me too. I wonder if it's experience with relationships that brings one to this point? Iif memory serves me right, I've always been attracted to the one I've felt an emotional connection to. Where is that story?
Maybe I'll watch the first season, just to see what all the hype is about.
People are always looking for the romance angle in TV shows maybe because we’re conditioned that way? Fairy tales, “easy” ways storytellers create drama through love triangles, etc. I remember how for Season 1, people couldn’t stop talking about how there was no romantic interest. Honestly, that’s one of the things that made me want to watch. It made me think the writers really knew what they were doing if they were creating an exciting show without all that. The scene under the table really got me--it’s like I was finally seeing how it could be if friendship/camaraderie/non-romantic soulmates were as recognized/valued as romance and romantic relationships. And then I got to wonder how Carmy was going to balance all of it.
Wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. There’s a reason we call them work-husbands or work-wives. And that connection can be very deep and true and not due to a romantic attraction. Syd is in love with that restaurant, not Carmy.
I watched the first season, haven't gotten to the second yet. I am so over the 'dramatic' insertion of rando, often bad 'love' relationships. As someone said below, I feel like we are conditioned to expect this kind of thing anytime there is chemistry between characters, without any exploration of the fact that there can be different kinds of chemistry and love. Drama at it's best is supposed to expose the human condition in all forms (in my opinion) so maybe this is a failure of our modern versions (TV/Movies) to express the nuances in human lives? The romantic relationship is glorified and elevated as the pinnacle of all relationships which is bull. Even in many books that I read (which are not romances, lol) commenters are always looking for the ship/romance/HEA. The most important relationships in my life have NOT been the romantic ones. Family, friends, sometimes work partners. Like you, I find it difficult to have intimacy/comfortable-ness with many relationships, and to be honest my choices in partners has not helped that one bit. Now gonna go watch The Bear S2 lol!
I did sense something between Syd and Marcus. Also, wondering about her puking. I feel like shows always resort to a woman puking to foreshadow pregnancy. It is such an overused trope but whenever I see a woman in a show or film feeling nausea or pukes randomly... she 100% of the time turns out to be pregnant. They pulled it with Carm's sister so when Syd was puking at the end I was like hmmmm, are they gonna pull that again!
Thank you! As someone who generally always tries to link people in movies, shows, etc I was like “they’re kin.” The under the table scene was such a beautiful intimate scene between comrades - and maybe offers possibility modeling on cross gender friendships. It’s also the story of what happens when we meet our idols and discover they’re just as fucked up and human as we are.
Love this take.
"I just don’t understand this mindset of automatically shipping a man and a woman just because there is closeness between them. It actually kind of makes me sad. There’s almost a loneliness behind it? It reminds me of some men who say that “men and women can’t be friends, even if the man isn’t attracted to the woman, he’s still smashing or thinking about smashing.”
and also
"Sydney is in love with the industry. The girl just wants to graft. Sydney wants to be Carmen, not be with him."
Can relate!
I. haven't watched this show, have no investment in the characters or TT, but one thing I know for sure is this: Romance and the desire for romance, the need to insert it where it isn't possible is so wishful. Through no fault of our own, it's something we're inundated with from the first time somebody does a read-aloud of Cinderella. The writers statement: Personally, I feel a lot more connected to someone I can be emotionally intimate with versus being physically intimate with. I also feel a lot safer with sharing vulnerability with someone I know I’m not going to be in a romantic relationship with because they’re less likely to use it against me. But, that’s just me.
Well that's me too. I wonder if it's experience with relationships that brings one to this point? Iif memory serves me right, I've always been attracted to the one I've felt an emotional connection to. Where is that story?
Maybe I'll watch the first season, just to see what all the hype is about.
People are always looking for the romance angle in TV shows maybe because we’re conditioned that way? Fairy tales, “easy” ways storytellers create drama through love triangles, etc. I remember how for Season 1, people couldn’t stop talking about how there was no romantic interest. Honestly, that’s one of the things that made me want to watch. It made me think the writers really knew what they were doing if they were creating an exciting show without all that. The scene under the table really got me--it’s like I was finally seeing how it could be if friendship/camaraderie/non-romantic soulmates were as recognized/valued as romance and romantic relationships. And then I got to wonder how Carmy was going to balance all of it.
Wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. There’s a reason we call them work-husbands or work-wives. And that connection can be very deep and true and not due to a romantic attraction. Syd is in love with that restaurant, not Carmy.
You are 100% correct. But stans are going to stan, and romantic stans more than any other type.
Noooooo I don’t want it 😂😂
I watched the first season, haven't gotten to the second yet. I am so over the 'dramatic' insertion of rando, often bad 'love' relationships. As someone said below, I feel like we are conditioned to expect this kind of thing anytime there is chemistry between characters, without any exploration of the fact that there can be different kinds of chemistry and love. Drama at it's best is supposed to expose the human condition in all forms (in my opinion) so maybe this is a failure of our modern versions (TV/Movies) to express the nuances in human lives? The romantic relationship is glorified and elevated as the pinnacle of all relationships which is bull. Even in many books that I read (which are not romances, lol) commenters are always looking for the ship/romance/HEA. The most important relationships in my life have NOT been the romantic ones. Family, friends, sometimes work partners. Like you, I find it difficult to have intimacy/comfortable-ness with many relationships, and to be honest my choices in partners has not helped that one bit. Now gonna go watch The Bear S2 lol!
I did sense something between Syd and Marcus. Also, wondering about her puking. I feel like shows always resort to a woman puking to foreshadow pregnancy. It is such an overused trope but whenever I see a woman in a show or film feeling nausea or pukes randomly... she 100% of the time turns out to be pregnant. They pulled it with Carm's sister so when Syd was puking at the end I was like hmmmm, are they gonna pull that again!
The puking is from anxiety. Which is how I deal with my peak anxiety! That girl ain’t pregnant LOL